Eternal Renga Continues

I have quite a collection of dictionary's, and every now and then I see a new word I love finding something obscure that most people wouldnt have heard of before ...glad I could help

regards Jayne=Chloe(JC)

Love the vision of snow

A new days substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

I love the snow too and its purity

Nice 4 additions

Substance's new day. Has 4 syllables
Smoothed pure scene, of life’s dream. Has 6 syllables
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Barbara

My syllable checker gave me 7 for that line but just in case:-
Smooth|ed pure scene, of life’s dream
or if Smoothed is only one syllable then just put THE in:-

Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream.

Take care out there, Yours Ian.T

Okay

Let me check something

Okay I checked
I went by this dictionary, but its not the only one I recommend.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Smoothed

Also check this one. Substance's new day. Has 4 syllables

Thanks hope all is well where you are.

I am not to sure of the "Sub|stan|ce's new day" only having four syllables.
I always run these lines past a syllable checker but it seems to be at fault unless it is another thing like US or UK English I will check when time permits.
So let me sort that line out all I can do is say "A new days substance"
This is showing me 5 syllables so we can use that it says the same..
Thanks for your patience, Yours, Ian

All is good

Thanks for your willingness. Happy everybody is enjoying the workshop.

Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional Love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts (monumented?)
forever come(s?) the drifts

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of ALL

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new days substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Thanks Ian

Thanks for posting new renga

Barbara

That's fine we just need:- munimented in our hearts (monumented?) line sorting by Ron then we can complete that part.
Are you going for the standard 35 stanzas in a Renga or are we just stopping when it feels OK ???.
Hope you have a lovely day out there, the dawn will be creeping soon and you will have to face another day La La. Hope it's a good one.
Yours Ian.T

Hey Ian

We were doing 20. we can start doing 35 verses. Right now renga 4 is at 15 verses

Hey Ian

We were doing 20. we can start doing 35 verses. Right now renga 4 is at 15 verses

New renga 4

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

Hey everybody

I'm be offline for a week on vacation. I'm leaving Friday night for a 8 day Caribbean cruise. If I can pick up a cafe wifi on one of the islands I may check in. If not, have fun writing neopoet renga 4 until I return.

Ian I would appreciate it if you would moderate while I gone. Just let the renga 4 continue until I return. I will pick up from where I left off and add the new verses to my draft copy, check, revise, and post to stream and start renga 5.

Barbara

You just go and have fun and stop worrying about a Renga, you go have a Rumba or two and a drink of spiced rum for me, the white rum that is.
My thoughts will go with you, Yours Ian.T

Thanks Ian

Okay I'll have a spiced rum just for you.

Hello twice

Anyone out there???
We need some writing to appear on this page....
Yours Ian.T

Ok Ian. T

and new beginnings
are new dreamer's visions created
what we ourself hoped

Maybe this will work

Hi boss lady

Like it
Your stanza are fresh and exciting, It flow really fine with the preceding verse.
Only one thing, check your 2nd line

and new beginnings
are new dreamer's visions created < has 9 syllables > < only need 7 >
what our selves hoped

Hi Mark

Yea I automatically link everybody from the last workshop.
Glad t see you here.

Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces
,
and new beginnings
are new dreamer's visions created
what our selves hoped

Renga 4

Some of the submitted pieces will need their syllable counts sorted but that can be done later with permission of the author's, Yours Ian.T
PS:- the three liners should be 5-7-5 syllables give or take
the two liners should be 7-7 the Renga should go on to 35 stanzas.
We shall see what Barbara decides as the originator has control.

Hi everybody I'm back

I missed Neopoet ESP Renga while I was vacationing on the Carnival FunShip. You did great Ian It's as you said. I'm waiting to see the verses come in.

Wow some great work here ...

Wow some great work here ... do you want me to add anymore verses or do we just add once ???

love JC xxx

Jayne

You can send as many stanzas as you wish, just add them to the growing theme, Barbara will be back later.
We then just put the whole thing onto the stream as a completed item, this one has a few stanzas to go yet,
Thank you for your support,
Yours Ian.T

Ian

No worries I have a couple of ideas I will play round with tonight its only 1.30am I will be up for a while yet its still so hot ... blah !! smiles

love JC xxx

Hi JC

Looking forward to seeing them.

hey Mark

I was just working on a couple of verses gonna have to go back to the drawing board hahaha hope your well

regards JC x

The quick and the dead lol

The quick and the dead lol its alright I will redo mine tomorrow
Good to see you hope your well !!

JC x

Hi Mak

Great two liner. Works perfectly.

Hi Babara

I am sorry I put on verse count and it says 5,7,5 , but the words are new in the 2nd line do not need to be there.

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hoped

Thanks boss lady

Great!!! just one syllable off in last line
what our selves hoped (maybe > hope for >

Barbara

That sounds good to me. Go for it. This poem is really special. It has a lot of meaning in the words

Okay great

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hope for

wander onto vision's edge
look at clouds from both sides now

Yea

Glad you feel that way

Hi everybody

I'm not as active at PoetrySoup as i am here, Being a member they sent this software tool to my email to try out and give feedback. I used it and like it a lot. It is a wonder software "Haiku Counter" tool. I give it all fives. Here's a link.
http://www.poetrysoup.com/haiku_syllable_counter/

I thought it would be great for this workshop since counting syllables is a major factor. It takes the work out of counting syllable for Renga Poetry. Hehe

Not my Addy just for you to Addy

I give you a rose
To hold my love truthfully
Also for your Loves

Take it hold the perfect dream
Stay true to all those around

Ian

I like those lines I will try and write something to follow I started one the other night and didnt get it finished will try my hand at one :)

love JC x

Jayne

use that link that Barbara has given us, I had another two that counted syllables and they save so much time it took me about ten minutes to write those lines I put up.
You have a lovely evening out there, I hope it is cooler today,
Yours as always Ian.T

Sorry to say today was

Sorry to say today was stinking hot, worst day I can remember for a long time, the suns set and its still 32 degrees I am hoping that it cools down somewhat before bed we didnt get much sleep the last two nights its been shocking we are praying for rain or even a storm its just so damn hot

my Pa would call it an ass scorcher lol

love always Jayne-Chloe x

Ian

;-)

Wonderful Ian

I like those lines.

Wonderful Ian

I like those lines.

Barbara

I give to you the rose of truth and the rose of trust in those that are close to you.
Is it a little poss to have some of this duplication on some of my poems it will increase the number of comments LOL.
You have a lovely day out there, Yours as always, Ian.T

Ian

Lol
:-)

Hi Mark

Yea syllable counter will work for those having it harder that us counting syllable. It not always accurate but it take most of the work out of counting. But not better than counting yourself.

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hope for

wander onto vision's edge
look at clouds from both sides now

I give you a rose
To hold my love truthfully
Also for your Loves

Take it hold the perfect dream
Stay true to all those around

Summer down under
Rainstorms are out of season
Here in New England

Nicely done

Lol

Silly me

LOL

England waits, the flood subsides
Wonder where it has all gone?

Ian

Wonderful addition

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hope for

wander onto vision's edge
look at clouds from both sides now

I give you a rose
To hold my love truthfully
Also for your Loves

Take it hold the perfect dream
Stay true to all those around

Summer down under
Rainstorms are out of season
Here in New England

England waits, the flood subsides
Wonder where it has all gone

Fun it is lol

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hope for

wander onto vision's edge
look at clouds from both sides now

I give you a rose
To hold my love truthfully
Also for your Loves

Take it hold the perfect dream
Stay true to all those around

Summer down under
Rainstorms are out of season
Here in New England

England waits, the flood subsides
Wonder where it has all gone?

England flushed it south
That chanel rose, lost compose
France has wet it's pants

hi New Renga

Neopoet Renga 4

Heavenly sovereign
Almighty rightfully rules
Earthly citizen.

Terrene rulership struggle
blue, red fight for sovereignty

They lost their belief
Because they refuse to see
The goodness inside

Walk now with purest feelings
Of Unconditional love

Till time comes we meet
Those gone before us again
On heavenly grounds

One nation many faces
Come together under God

snow circles windows
a painting of dawn relief
night comes in quarters

munimented in our hearts
And forever comes the drift

scrawled on windowsills
nails scratch crystalline etchings
from our loved ones' past

the words cryptic to the mind
fluent in love's shared language

nature holds our loved
in memories and yet more
spirit parts of all

covered by soft drifting snow
purity coats our landscape

A new day substance
Smoothed the pure scene, of life’s dream
I am clean, yes clean

can we just keep the pure snow?
Life would be a gentle flow..

Only tears of joy
Life pure as the driven snow
No more afflictions

Chaste love kindness compassion
Sunshine forever faces

and new beginnings
dreamer's visions created
what our selves hope for

wander onto vision's edge
look at clouds from both sides now

I give you a rose
To hold my love truthfully
Also for your Loves

Take it hold the perfect dream
Stay true to all those around

Summer down under
Rainstorms are out of season
Here in New England

England waits, the flood subsides
Wonder where it has all gone?

England flushed it south
That chanel rose, lost compose
France has wet it's pants

Englanders sought roof's refuge
first responders propel boats

Barbara

I am resting a while, yet the last four stanzas would be better to start another Renga as they have wandered away.
This would give others to bring in their seasonal problems as Hurricane's and ill winds blow.
USA, Aussie, England all have been flooded, so this next with those four stanzas can reflect one place at a time and we can go world wide ????
Yours Ian.T

Patterns of destruction

Summer down under
Rainstorms are out of season
Here in New England

England waits, the flood subsides
Wonder where it has all gone?

England flushed it south
The channel rose, lost compose
France has wet it's pants

Englanders sought roof's refuge
first responders propel boats..

Maybe we should research Noah..
,

I agree Ian

i will finalize this one. eternal renga will always be here for any who is interested. i start a forth whenever some one want to come with group with a theme of their own.
so, just leave a idea in comment section. ill be checking in from time to time .
remember renga can be group of three or more writing a renga all of their own. its up to you. I'm working on other renga projects now. but is alway here..

Hi Mark

I'm relaxing a bit too and agree with Ian also on maybe a group from each country could write their own renga pertains to their area of the worlds. They'd all be Neopoet renga with a group theme such as "Neopoet Renga Aussie " or "Neopoet Renga USA" etc. I've been Meditating on these new ideas for eternal renga I think some may like. the basic is intact but a different way to run. I creating something similar on my wordpress blogs that still in poetry. but I am always here just a comment away lol

Any ideas guys

sounds good Mark

lets see who adds to its theme

sounds good Mark

lets see who adds to its theme

Hi New years Weather

Her wrath and beauty
the storms and sunsets collide
meanwhile fair weather

Fear the power of changes
Know I can call you to me

Call me natural
Wait my imminent fury
Land sea and airborne

Probably the last of my Renga bits for this year, Have a great new year all of you, Yours Ian.T

Great Ian

this is great stuff here it flows perfectly

New Renga

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
Our forefathers origin
Tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
New race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
Appear from the aftermath
The red white and blue

Irishman no stress

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

sueb

make a two liner. you can still add this one after it if you want. You are doing great to say you didn't know what a renga was. What so fun about this workshop you get to experience four types of poetry here. Haiku, Senyru, and Tanka = Renga

Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
Our forefathers origin
Tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
New race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
Appear from the aftermath
The red white and blue

(two liner anybody)

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

(two liner anybody)

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavour to correct wrongs

thanks Ian works perfectly

I think it will fit

Two sovereign one God
Appear from the aftermath
The red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Boss

great it does fit
thanks for the two liner

New Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
Our forefathers origin
Tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
New race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
Appear from the aftermath
The red white and blue

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
our forefathers origin
tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
new race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
appear from the aftermath
the red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

(two liner anybody)

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavour to correct wrongs

thanks Ian works perfectly

Barbara

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

Guinness slow to settle down
Waits to quell the thirst of man

Ian

Sounds good

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
our forefathers origin
tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
new race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
appear from the aftermath
the red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

Guinness slow to settle down
Waits to quell the thirst of man

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavor to correct wrongs

Barbara

awake to a day
of new trials and triumphs
this generation

Bosslady

Thanks for posting

Bosslady

Thanks for posting

Hi mark

Sorry to be on late. got so much happening. Nice one. Addition after the boss. Okay I'm at hospital wit my mom be on it in couple days. Then I'll add you thanks for the addition.

Renga 5 cont.

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
our forefathers origin
tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
new race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
appear from the aftermath
the red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

Guinness slow to settle down
Waits to quell the thirst of man

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavor to correct wrongs

The Criminals take
altered apprentices now
not gripped by ethics

only the thrill of the take
and the lifetime of training

The good push and pull
fighting 'til the last one falls
evil is not alone

a boxer stands in the way
he'll die before he gives ground

For in the flux of evil
men have risen to fight it
the world's nature true

is the contest being fought
much as it has always been

Ron

Thanks Ron great finish

I'll add mark to the finality.

Thanks everybody

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
our forefathers origin
tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
new race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
appear from the aftermath
the red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

Guinness slow to settle down
Waits to quell the thirst of man

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavor to correct wrongs

The Criminals take
altered apprentices now
not gripped by ethics

Only the thrill of the take
and the lifetime of training

The good push and pull
fighting 'til the last one falls
evil is not alone

A boxer stands in the way
he'll die before he gives ground

For in the flux of evil
men have risen to fight it
the world's nature true

Is the contest being fought
much as it has always been

Figures standing in darkness
Breed thorns and nettle
Amid promises and hope

Nostalgia the flower child
"The Family" brought an end

It's still available for a while longer for any who want to pop in, share a stanza or stanzas at your convenient.

Neopoet Renga 5

Ethnics soon sunder
our forefathers origin
tumult from terra

Gods fight for control north, south
new race emerge to power

Two sovereign one God
appear from the aftermath
the red white and blue

Blood stained forever now
but new ideals bring change

Irishman no stress
it's always dry in the pub
amused by panic

Guinness slow to settle down
Waits to quell the thirst of man

That all nations die
Not knowing our present
Stops all the worry

That we know of their past ways
Endeavor to correct wrongs

The Criminals take
altered apprentices now
not gripped by ethics

Only the thrill of the take
and the lifetime of training

The good push and pull
fighting 'til the last one falls
evil is not alone

A boxer stands in the way
he'll die before he gives ground

For in the flux of evil
men have risen to fight it
the world's nature true

Is the contest being fought
much as it has always been

Figures standing in darkness
Breed thorns and nettle
Amid promises and hope

Nostalgia the flower child
"The Family" brought an end

This world runs on greed
Black suited men know their name
No world left No gain

Grant us the reason to win
A new world for our children

_________________________
Ian you were in an old workshop on the stream that been closed. But it okay. See what you can do with it here. It's a good one I like it. Once you're done I'll close this Renga 5 and start a new renga workshop soon. My mind already coming up with a title. It'll be different, but nothing you haven't already done here many times. Hope everyone in this workshop joins. It's gonna be fun. I'll do my best to make it so. Jess has a brilliant idea and I'm looking forward to it working with him and to learn from all the participants as it's not a strong poetic area for me.

The waters subside once more
How many times to endure

We move on stronger
Helping out our friends again
It's always our way

Barbara

Lets close the number off:-

This world runs on greed
Black suited men know their name
No world left No gain

Grant us the reason to win
A new world for our children

Take care look forward to the next one, Yours Ian.T

Description: This is a meeting place for all poets on Neopoet to come and post verses of poetry to "Eternal Renga" So, come as a group or individual and post your verses anytime. This is an ongoing collaborative effort that could go on for hundreds of verses. A truly Neopoet group effort. Let's co-operate to create a truly Neopoet poem.

Leader: Barbara Writes
Moderator(s):

Objectives: To have everyone at Neopoet collaborating a Renga poem.

Level of expertise: Open to all.

Subject matter: "Each person write a verse, alternately haiku 5-7-5 syllables then a verse of 7-7 syllables"
I can only say that the rules can not be strictly applied when writing in English. Japanese has such a completely different sound structure, grammar and even thematic considerations considered appropriate for poetry. So we have simplified it.

Alternate 3 line verses of
5-7-5 syllables like a haiku or senryu
and 2 line verses of
7--7 syllables.
Syllable Counter: http://www.poetrysoup.com/haiku_syllable_counter/

We just ask you read the preceding verses to try to maintain some thematic coherency.

As such feel free to introduce modern, western themes, but read what has been written before and make it relevant, please.